I hope this cute bag is an authentic Dooney & Bourke

May 5, 2014

Paula… your website / blog is very helpful, and I’ve loved reading about D&B history.  I purchased what I think is an early vintage Dooney & Bourke but I can’t find my style in your listings or archives. It is so cute and I’m hoping so much it is real because I’ve never had one, but always hoped to. I want to go out in public with confidence and not have people snicker that I have a fake and don’t know it. The style screams vintage cute little purse but with an over the shoulder long handle as an option. It is a wedged style from the front, with a handle on the top; it tapers out and gets about two inches wider as it goes downward to the base. The base is about 4 x 8 wide and flat with 4 feet. The purse stands completely on its own without caving in or looking like it will tip over.  From the side it is shaped a little bit teepee style and also tapers out with about the same two inch difference. It is bone with medium tan contrast and seems to pass the test as far as looks and many details you say to look for, but after searching your site and several others, I do not see this exact little purse. It has a “fishing bag/tote” shape to it like some items in your inventory, but the latch is not like your similar examples… yet it is like other items in your inventory. In other words, I see characteristics that are in many of your samples, but not all together.  These are the things I’m not seeing that your blog says to look for.  The words “solid brass” on the metal parts, no tag inside. It says ALL-WEATHER LEATHER and has the distinctive pebble-grain texture, but does not have a soft and supple feel as described on your History page. When you unlatch the front and lift up the flap, there is lining of what appears to be suede and I’ve not seen that mentioned in your “Q&A.”  The inside bottom is pebbled leather as well as the inside back “organizer” area, but the inside sides and inside front are the same suede type lining.  I purchased it from an Assistance League thrift store that sells nice items. They would not try to cheat anyone; if it is not genuine, it would be for not knowing. I paid $40. It was a passion buy because it has such a cute and old-fashioned shape and style that “turns heads.”  It turned mine in the thrift store, then I came home and read your blog on how to tell the difference. Now I’m keeping my fingers crossed. I have very good detailed photos but will only send them if you need (and according to your blog instructions).

Thank you for having a very informative website. The education you are giving the public is very appreciated.

The uncertainties or issues may be due to age and wear, but I am concerned about things like patina change to metal, soil marks on strap and inside, and the emblem detail is hard to get due to reflection and shine, but hope I have enough details for you. Sure looks like a sweet little purse but my daughter, a DB enthusiast who owns two purses, is skeptical. I’ve never owned one, and know nothing. I thought I’d consult the leading expert!

Sincerely from Marian in California

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HI Marian,

Thank you for your patience. As you can see, due to the volume of questions we receive, it takes about two months for a question to work its way to the top of the queue.

When I receive such a nice letter and good photos, it breaks my heart to inforrm you that your bag is a fake……….well………….at least you can be proud that your daughter’s skepticism was well founded.

And as far as the store not misrepresenting the bag, I’m sure that is true. I’ve found that in 90% of the cases, people just don’t know -they are not trying to be deceitful, they just don’t know how to tell one way or another.

This is a fake bag. And I would have to call it a fake hybrid because like you say, it has elements from various bags, but nothing is quite right.

Here are some of the telltale signs:

The shoulder strap is too narrow. The only two-tone strap Dooney & Bourke made was a wide, padded strap that buckled onto the bag. For example, take a look at the strap on this Small Surrey

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Authentic Dooney & Bourke Small Surrey

The interior pockets should be of tan leather, not white like yours.

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Authentic Dooney & Bourke Small Surrey

There are many areas of your bag that appear to be vinyl, such as the trim.

The way the various parts are riveted together is not in a Dooney & Bourke style. For example, the carrying handle is usually like this.

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Authentic Medium Surrey Carrier

The reinforced corners really only appear on a few bags such as this Small Carpet Bag.

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Authentic Dooney & Bourke Small Carpet Bag

In addition, the metal feet on the bottom are not like those on a Dooney & Bourke bag. They should be brass.

Most noticeably, however, is the front latch treatment, markedly NOT Dooney & Bourke – there has not been anything like that on any bags to my knowledge and experience. Again a hybrid feature. I can’t even say what bag the counterfeiters were trying to copy.

So I am sorry to say, you have a fake bag. Tell your daughter she has good instincts !

Next time if the opportunity allows, write me before you purchase. I’d be happy to help.

This blog is a labor of love of vintage All Weather Leather Dooneys and I am always glad to help with identifying and authenticating bags free of charge. It is my way of contributing to the knowledge base out there in hopes it helps prevent fraudulent sales from occurring.
Many of the answers are already on our website or this blog, so enjoy your browsing !

If you are selling your Dooneys, the process is outlined here http://www.horsekeeping.com/Dooney/Dooney-Bourke-buying.htm
You can always buy authentic Dooney & Bourke bags on our website.
http://www.horsekeeping.com/Dooney/Dooney-Bourke.htm
Paula

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Authentic Dooney & Bourke Mini Rectangular Surrey

 

Is this green bag and wallet authentic Dooney & Bourke?

April 27, 2014

Dear Paula,

I recently found a very nice vintage-ish Dooney & Bourke crossbody bag with a matching wallet at a thrift store for $12.50.  The bag is very well made, but it does not have a “made in” label inside.  I can’t tell if it was removed or never there at all.  The wallet does have a white cloth label that says “Made in China”, but nothing in the bag.  The bag is green and tan with a combination of leather and suede and has black interior with 3 compartments.  I’d love for you to take a look at it and tell me what you think of the pair.  Did I do good for $12.50 or did I just throw money away?

Thanks,
Scott
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Hi Scott,

Thank you for your patience. As you can see, due to the volume of questions we receive, it takes about two months for a question to work its way to the top of the queue.

Sorry Scott but you have two fake items.
Telltale signs include these features that Dooney & Bourke has never used on their bags:
The leather covered buckle
Braided trim
Suede exterior flap
Snap on back flap
Vinyl trim
A two tone strap like the one on this bag
Interior shot – all non-Dooney
Bottom of bag – never made like this
Interior of wallet (see photo at end of this article to see what an authentic interior should look like)
Made in China tag in wallet
I’m not sure which bag the counterfeiters were trying to copy as I haven’t ever seen anything like that but the wallet is a knock off of the Teton wallet. Click on this photo to see details.
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Interior of authentic Dooney & Bourke wallet.

This blog is a labor of love of vintage All Weather Leather Dooneys and I am always glad to help with identifying and authenticating bags free of charge. It is my way of contributing to the knowledge base out there in hopes it helps prevent fraudulent sales from occurring.
Many of the answers are already on our website or this blog, so enjoy your browsing !
To ask a question, follow the instructions here
http://www.horsekeeping.com/Dooney/Dooney-Bourke-tips.htm
If you are selling your Dooneys, the process is outlined here http://www.horsekeeping.com/Dooney/Dooney-Bourke-buying.htm
You can always buy authentic Dooney & Bourke bags on our website.
http://www.horsekeeping.com/Dooney/Dooney-Bourke.htm
Paula

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Authentic Vintage Dooney & Bourke Small Explorer Bag in Wheat and British Tan

Paula – I didn’t know you were the Dooney & Bourke police !!

Paula, I have four Donney & Bourke Sherpa Style packs. The reason I am contacting you is because I am putting them on EBay and came across your web site. Seeing the quality of what’s there I thought I would offer the whole lot to you. if you have any interest I could send pictures. All four of the packs are 13/14/51/4. I have had them for about 12-13 years. M

Hi M,

Here is the info on how we purchase bags

http://www.horsekeeping.com/Dooney/Dooney-Bourke-buying.htm

Paula

Dooney and Bourke All-Weather Hand Bag

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jjjjeeeezzz guys I just wanted a little direction, I didn’t know you were the DB police. i put one bag up on ebay and you gutted me!!

I went to the blog and see you guys take this real serious. Tell Paula I may have bought these bags a few years ago in good faith, but now I can rest easier knowing the ebay police are all over me. I guess a leg up from you guys is out of the question!!!

I remain, with a since of trepidation.  M

Dear M.

We do not visit eBay nor do we do any business there.

If photos of a bag like yours appeared on our blog it was because a potential buyer sent them to us asking for our opinion. We receive many requests every day.

Yes, we do take authenticating vintage Dooney & Bourke All Weather Leather bags very seriously. The blog is to help both buyers and sellers know what is authentic and what is not.

We would be happy to look at your bags before you list them. It is a free service. We do it just as a means to help.  So yes, we would give you a “leg up” as you say !!  That is the purpose of the blog.

We do not go to eBay looking for fake bags. If someone sends us photos, we do not know where they come from. The photos are usually of someone’s personal bag or the photos could be from any number of sites including eBay, Goodwill, etsy and other auction and selling sites.

Best of luck !!

Paula

((Never got a reply))

This blog is a labor of love of vintage All Weather Leather Dooneys and I am always glad to help with identifying and authenticating bags free of charge. It is my way of contributing to the knowledge base out there in hopes it helps prevent fraudulent sales from occurring.
Many of the answers are already on our website or this blog, so enjoy your browsing !
You can always buy authentic Dooney & Bourke bags on our website.
http://www.horsekeeping.com/Dooney/Dooney-Bourke.htm
Paula

Dooney and Bourke All-Weather Vintage Flap Bag with coin purse

 

 

A Cavalade of Counterfeit Dooney Handbags

In the effort of saving time so I can get to other questions in a more timely manner, I’ve replied to those of you who asked about these bags, telling you they are counterfeit bags, not authentic Dooney & Bourke.

I commend several of you who wrote asking if they were authentic BEFORE you listed them on eBay !! That is a very good thing  – now you know they are not authentic and should not be represented as such. For those of you buying on eBay, beware, there are MANY MANY counterfeit bag there.

So here for the interested of other Dooney & Bourke collectors and enthusiasts is a cavalcade of fake Dooneys.

BAG ONE – FAKE

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BAG THREE – FAKE

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This blog is a labor of love of vintage All Weather Leather Dooneys and I am always glad to help with identifying and authenticating bags free of charge. It is my way of contributing to the knowledge base out there in hopes it helps prevent fraudulent sales from occurring.
Many of the answers are already on our website or this blog, so enjoy your browsing !

http://www.horsekeeping.com/Dooney/Dooney-Bourke-tips.htm

You can always buy authentic Dooney & Bourke bags on our website.
http://www.horsekeeping.com/Dooney/Dooney-Bourke.htm
Paula

Paula I Just wanted to share the worst fake Dooney I’ve ever seen……..

Hi Paula, sorry to bother you,I know your busy. Just wanted to share with you probably the worst fake dooney and bourke handbag I have ever found. Ugh..
Sincerely, Jillian

 

0308141156-00 0308141157-00 0308141157-01Hi Jillian,

Thank you and never too busy to expose the fakes. And this is truly an ugh !

I always hope it helps sellers who sometimes unknowingly list a fake for sale. But mostly to help buyers so they don’t pay for a counterfeit handbag when there are authentic beauties out there waiting to be adopted !

This blog is a labor of love of vintage All Weather Leather Dooneys and I am always glad to help with identifying and authenticating bags free of charge. It is my way of contributing to the knowledge base out there in hopes it helps prevent fraudulent sales from occurring.
Many of the answers are already on our website or this blog, so enjoy your browsing !
You can always buy authentic Dooney & Bourke bags on our website.

http://www.horsekeeping.com/Dooney/Dooney-Bourke.htm

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Authentic Dooney & Bourke Satchel

 

Paula

 

 

Is this an authentic Dooney satchel?

Hi Paula, I just lucked upon your website about the DB bags and was trying to find out if the satchel I have is a real one or fake.  It was given to me by my Mother who purchased it at an estate sale about 5 years ago.
What puzzles me is that it has the workmanship of the actual bag but there is no tag inside showing a registration number.  the only tag is one that says  assembled in Mexico.  I will describe what I see of the bag.
It is a black leather satchel with the tan trim and stitching, you can feel the stitching on the inside of the bag.  the inside is not lined and you just feel the leather it is soft.  the duck logo is stitched to the bag. all the grommets buckles are the gold brass. It has the duck logo on a leather strap that hangs from the handle.   The Zipper has Three Star printed on it, so that and it not having a tag with a registration has got me wondering if it is real or fake.
any help with this is surely appreciated!
Kimberly
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8Hi Kimberly,
This is a counterfeit bag. What they were probably trying to copy is one of the most coveted satchels – the Gladstone. If you click on this photo, it will take you to a page that shows all the features of an authentic Gladstone in new condition.
656-R90-gladstone-sm-blbt-frontAnd here is another one in Taupe that is used.
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I want to sell these on eBay – are they authentic Dooney & Bourke?

Hi paula, I recently purchased 3 dooney and bourke bags. I have questions about their authenticity. I would like to sell them on ebay but have no desire to fool anyone so just want to be sure first. I would love for you to take a look if possible.  Thank you have a great day!!! Heidi

Here are photos of Bag A

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20130911_124432 20130911_124435 20130911_124437 20130911_124443 20130911_124459 20130911_124506 20130911_124525Hi Heidi,

First of all kudos to you for checking before listing your bags on eBay !! That is a very respectable and responsible thing to do. Since there are many counterfeiters out there, it is easy to be fooled.

Sadly, all 3 of your bags are fakes.

Each one shows many features of counterfeit bags.

The black interior pockets.

The vinyl trim and straps

The non-brass feet on the bottom.

But bottom line, Dooney & Bourke has never made any bags that even look like these bags – the features are not consistent with any bag.

I’m not exactly sure which bag the counterfeiters were trying to copy when they made bag A, perhaps a Kilty?

Here is what an authentic Kilty would look like. Click on the photo for detailed features.

629-kilty-large-firbt-frontAs far as B and C, they seem to be trying to make the fake bag look like a satchel of some sort, perhaps one of the Classic Satchels. Here is one you can refer to for more details.

642-R29-ziptop-classic-firbt-frontThanks for writing and sending photos – perhaps this will help others know what to be on the lookout for in terms of counterfeit bags.

Paula

This bag has a tag that says Dooney & Bourke Made in the USA – is it real?

Hi Paula,

I recently bought a purse and I was wondering if it was real or not? I was looking at your blog and the purse does not have a serial number though it does have the tag that says “Dooney & Bourke Made in the U.S.A” though it is not sowed in.
Maryanne
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This is a fake. I’m not even sure what bag they were trying to copy as Dooney & Bourke has never made anything that looks like this.
Telltale signs that this is counterfeit:
The pasted in tag
The black interior
The little ties on the front
The toggle fastener
The way the handles are attached to the bag
The way the strap is attached to the trigger snaps
None of these things have ever been on a Dooney & Bourke bag.
Perhaps the counterfeiters were trying to copy this bag??  Click on the photo to see detailed photos and specs.
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Paula

Could this be an authentic Dooney & Bourke Cavalry bag from the 1980s?

Hi Paula,

I am trying to authenticate a D&B bag that I received a few years ago from a friend.  It is very similar to the Small Cavalry Bag you have pictured.  It is the pebbled grain leather with brass hardware on the front closure and a slip pocket on the back, without a tab closure.   The inside seams are all lined but there is a LEATHER sewn tag on the inside that says: Dooney & Bourke, made in America. The bag is in very good condition.  Could this bag be from the early 1980’s?
Just need your opinion.
Thanks,
Joyce
007 011 012 015 018 Aug29 040 Aug29 041 Aug29 043Joyce,
Yours is a very bad fake of a Dooney & Bourke bag.
As you know from visiting our website, this is what a Cavalry bag would look like – click on the bag to see more details including the interior.
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758-R70-trooper-sm-bonebt-6And here is what the trademark strip should look like
OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERATell tale signs of your bag being a knock off:
Having a shoulder pad in the first place.
The shoulder pad having faded gold letters Dooney & Bourke
Vinyl shoulder strap
Buckle on shoulder strap
Trademark strips should be like the one pictured above
Interior lining
Interior leather patch
None of these things have ever been used on an authentic Dooney & Bourke bag.
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Fake Dooney & Bourke R42 Shopping Tote Bag

Greetings from Wyoming!

I have a “vintage” Dooney & Bourke All Weather Leather Handbag/Tote. It was given to me and I was told it was real, and that it was made in the 1980’s. I listed it on Ebay and sold it, but when the buyer received it, she said it was fake. So I had her send it back and I refunded her money.

Curious, I did some more researching on the authenticity of Dooney & Bourke bags…and that has me wondering if I really do have a real one??? Mine does not have a tag inside, but I read that some bags made between 1980-1983 didn’t have them. The feet, stitching, metal fob, and D&B logo match the check lists I’ve read about. I have several picture I would be glad to send you that I used in my auction, but I don’t want to re-list it without knowing what I have here. If it’s fake, I need to know so that I can state this in my auction. It’s a fairly large black pebble and tan trim bag. Could you possibly help me by taking a look at it? I’d really appreciate it and appreciate your help & time!

Thank You, Cindy

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Here in the 1992 catalog is the authentic bag. The smaller one on the left is the R42 Shopping Bag which the counterfeiters were trying to copy.

scan0003I carry its big sister the R41 with me every time I go to town – it is my truck bag filled with all the things a girl needs when doing a town day. Since the catalog page is hard to see, here is the big sister which has all the same features but just larger. Click on the photo and it will take you to the bag with many detailed photos.

622-R41-shoppingtote-blbt-frontYou will see many differences between your bag and the authentic bag such as the two-tone handles, the handle attachment (yours is permanent, the real ones are removable), the interior, the placement of the brass feet, the workmanship and much more.

You can always buy authentic Dooney & Bourke bags on our website.

Paula